Check out this interview with Leslie Gelb, president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations. He seems to make the argument that,
"No country, no leaders, unless they really are crazy like a Hitler, wants to be destroyed, wants their country to be destroyed when it comes down it," he says. "As bad as these leaders talk in Iran and the Taliban and so forth, they don't ... talk about self-destruction. ... We have no basis for believing they are prepared to be destroyed in the process."
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